Gray Matters: Thoughts Inspired by Casey Anthony – Op-Ed By: Cathy DeBouno

Tue, 2012-01-31 15:01
Gray Matters: Thoughts Inspired by Casey Anthony – Op-Ed Part I
By: Cathy DeBuono MFT

This is one of the most objective op-ed’ I’ve read on this case.

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Lying by Omission is still lying, By allowing incorrect evidence & information by State of Florida, could have resulted in

A Verdict of Guilty on counts 1,2,& 3… by the jurors of the Casey Anthony trial.

Here is the full CacheBack Press release, including date of FYI to state of Florida.

The fact that the defense knew of this information isn’t really the issue is it? Isn’t it the fact that the state of Florida, Lawson Lamar, Linda Drane Burdick, Jeff Ashton and Frank George… Chose to not only object, that H.Judge Belvin Perry upheld their objection and allowed this incorrect Exhibit and testimony stand, that the information was not stricken from the records, that if was available for items in deliberation and that the jurors had this information. The fact that the defense used the same state’s witness as a witness on Defenses Direct case, offers the inconsistencies existed, why the evidence was allowed to remain is the most blatant example of premeditated-bias.

Updated 10.15.2010 – Is a child more likely to be a victim of Maternal Filicide? … “It not as rare a crime as you may think.”

Child Murder by Mothers: A Critical Analysis of the Current State of Knowledge and a Research Agenda

Susan Hatters Friedman, M.D., Sarah McCue Horwitz, Ph.D., and Phillip J. Resnick, M.D.

On Anniversary of the Date in which Cindy Anthony called authorities that her grand daughter was missing…only later to find out her daughter may be apart of the reason for her disappearance.

I am not passing judgment on Casey Anthony; I am showing proof that Maternal Filicide is not as rare a crime as one would think.”

….from July 2008 to today, there have been, but not limited to, I found 20 cases, where a mother is charged with the death of their child. The charges vary, and the cause of death varies.  I did not follow each link to see the verdicts in these cases; some are too new to adjudicated yet.

I did a Google search using these words – “Mother is Charged in Death” the result is 2,810,000 entries – for mother is charged with death.

I do not recall any of these cases receiving the amount of coverage that the Anthony case has.  I know the Parents are on their own mission.  IMO-Orlando is a city that is in shadows of Atlanta and Miami. The TV stations here report every thing from a Dog Park violation to this, murder of a child.

The missing children reports in the state of Florida are high, the crime rates are above most, and our city is a mix of residents, tourists, convention events.  I have lived in Los Angeles, Dallas, Burlington VT, and Cape Cod MA…  Orlando is one of the few places I have observed such a large difference between the haves and the have not’s, with in the same zip code.

The city and the County that blankets it, is also still physically segregated.  In this economy, I have yet to turn on the news without hearing about someone who has just committed a crime on a person, usually a family member or someone with in his or her own extended family.  The violence at the hands of someone unknown to the victim is less than hand of the violence caused by a familiar person to the victim.

Why Florida is in the spotlight?  Why are there so many incidents of violence and kidnapping here with in the sun line coastlines of the Florida peninsula?  Maybe some one can figure this out a get back to me.

Here is a list of stories from around the US,  all taken place in the last 11.5 mos….

February 2008,-  Ms. Markum  has been charged in the death of two of her children in a traffic crash.

July 16, 2008 – Orlando, Florida, Casey Marie Anthony, arrested July 16, 2008 for giving false statements, neglect of a child, and obstruction of a criminal investigation with a request that she be held on a no bond status until Caylee Anthony was located.

July 30, 2008  – Amber McIntyre-Roden, 23, who was  charged with felony murder in the death of her 2-month-old daughter.  [only 1,850 for Amber McIntyre-Roden articles].

August 29, 2008 – Orlando, Florida, Casey Marie Anthony arrested on charges of forgery, fraudulent use of personal information, and petty theft for forging $700 worth of checks and using her friend’s credit cards without permission.

Sept.  30, 2008 – Christie Michelle Scott, 30, mother of a 6-year-old boy who was killed in a house fire in August has been indicted on capital murder charges in Franklin County.

October 14, 2008 – Orlando, Florida, Casey Marie Anthony, was indicted by a grand jury on charges of first-degree murder.

October 21, 2008 – Orlando, Florida, Casey Marie Anthony, the charges of child neglect were dropped against Casey. In a statement that morning, the State Attorney’s Office explained: “The neglect charges were premised on the theory that her child, Caylee Marie, was still alive.

Oct 27,  2008 – Mother charged in the beating death of her 11-year old daughter in Brooklyn

Nov 21,  2008 – North Union mother charged in 2000 death of newborn

Dec 18,  2008 Mother Charged In Death Of Baby Found In Trash

Dec 28,  2008 – A Staten Island mother was charged today with manslaughter in the death of her 10-year-old son

Jan. 10, 2009 – Banita Jacks, 33, is charged with three counts of felony murder and one count of first-degree murder while armed.  The victims, who range in age from 5 to 17 years, are thought to be her daughters. Their bodies were found when U.S. marshals served an eviction notice at Jacks’ apartment in southeast Washington, D.C.

Jan 19,  2009 – Mother charged in ’06 starvation death of 7-month-old daughter

Jan 21,  2009 – Mother charged in Garner toddler’s death

Feb  9,   2009 – TX Mother Charged in Diabetic Girl’s Death

April 16, 2009 Mother Kathleen Gilderdale, 54, charged over death  of Lynn Gilderdale, who was handicap, was found dead at her home.

Apr 24, 2009 – Mother charged in death of quadriplegic girl

Apr 25, 2009 – Mother’s Boyfriend Charged In Death Of Toddler

April 27, 2009 – Stacey Barker, 24, was charged with one count each of murder, assault on a child causing death and child abuse in the death of Emma Leigh Barker.

May 6, 2009  – Joanna Faucett  24,  faces second-degree murder charges in the death of her 1-month-old daughter.

May 9, 2009 – Volusia County  Mother Charged In Baby’s Death.

May 11, 2009  – Ariel Hampton Centerfields, UT., charged  with a first-degree felony child abuse homicide in the death of her two-year old daughter.

May 12, 2009 Jessica Minor, Montrose, Pa.,  charged Tuesday with involuntary manslaughter and child endangerment.  She is accused of alcohol poisoning death of her 6-month-old baby.

Mar 12, 2009 – Mother, Lola Lieb charged in baby’s death. Medical examiner found methadone.

May 12,2009 – Amber Zuke is charged with the death of her special needs son.

May 13, 2009 – Angela Garcia is charged with Chemical Endangerment of a child, a class “A” felony.

May 21, 2009 –  Tiffany Toribio, 23, Albuquerque, N. M., is charged Monday with an open count of murder, child abuse resulting in death, tampering with evidence, failure to report a death and concealing her identity.

May 24, 2009  – Amanda Jo Stott-Smith, 31, Portland, Ore. was taken into custody. Stott-Smith faces aggravated murder and attempted aggravated murder charges. She is to be arraigned Tuesday afternoon after she had threatened to jump off a ledge when officers arrived, police said. Stott-Smith filed for separation from her husband, Jason Smith, in March, according to Washington County Circuit Court records. The parents had joint custody of the children, Marshman said.

May 31st 2009 – Amanda Brumfield of Ocoee , FL was charged with child neglect in the death of a 1-year-old she was babysitting [ although this is not the mother of the child, the fact that the person tried to hide the fact that the baby had fallen.  What is unknown is if the child fell during Brumfield’s care, or prior to Brumfields arrival.

Jun 5, 2009 – Lori Beth Workman, 25, Uniontown, PA., is accused of beating the boy with a piece of crib when he would not stop crying.  On September 22, 2008,  Homer’s parents called 911 saying the baby was unresponsive. Paramedics found the baby’s body on the couch.

June 2, 2009 – Nekela Oliver, a mother 3-year-old girl beaten to death is behind bars in connection with her daughter’s murder. According to a police affidavit,  23-year-old Antonio Starks admitted to spanking the little girl three times, with a belt, because she used the bathroom on herself and him.

June 10, 2009  – Araceli Velasquez-Espain, 21, Hermiston, OR.,  was arrested Monday on charges of aggravated murder, which potentially carries the death penalty; murder; first-degree manslaughter; second-degree corpse abuse; and criminal mistreatment. She is being held in the Umatilla County Jail on a federal immigration hold.

June 17, 2009 – Shaquana Bennett, Brooklyn, NY.  was taken into police custody and charged with manslaughter and endangering the welfare of a child.  The medical examiner’s office says “Tuquan Bennett-Shuler was smothered.”

March 22, 2010 – Kim H. Peno, 38, TAUNTON was arraigned in Taunton District Court today charged with first degree murder for the death of her son, Timothy. the boy she is alleged to have beaten to death her hands inside their home last week.

May 22 2010 – Lianne Angela Smith: mother charged with killing children in Spanish hotel A British mother has been charged with killing her two young children in a Spanish resort as it emerged she spent the night beside their dead bodies before alerting police.

September  03 2010 – Melanie Ruddell, 39, carried the lifeless body of toddler Christy into Peterlee police station, County Durham, the mother charged with murdering her two-year-old son was remanded to a secure psychiatric hospital today.

Updated- 11:09 pm 6.17.2009

So adding text to this photo makes it yours? I do not think so.

[http://bit.ly/rqVcY],

makes it yours?  I do not think so.

The original photographer or their employer holds the actual copyright to these photographs.  This is just one of a million plus examples on the internet of simple and mindless infringement.  I noticed a lot of parodies and other altered photos of Casey Anthony, and yet most of these folks know their right to use these items is under the open domain act, and do not place any form of copyright emblem or notation, as their work is derived from someone else’s original photograph or video/audio recording.

The internet has greatly enhanced out ability to receive instant interaction,
instant gratification and most of all, instant notoriety.

The ability to drag and copy, right click save and other cool techniques
have made blogging and other interaction on the internet, easy and effortless,
 when creating news items to titillate readers and win over our foes.  I find
the most interesting is when I re-posted comments that referenced me,
directed to me and written about me, met with such disdain and hate. 
The very ones who posted these comments disagreed with me.

example- I reposted this under the title:

I never thought of duct tape, as much as I do now, eek!

the blog was-

Casey Anthony: Why won’t she clear up Zenaida Gonzalez mystery? posted by halboedeker on May 19, 2009 5:31:52 PM Discuss This: Comments (152)

the comment directed to me-

“We sure could use some duct tape and chloroform about now. Me thinks that’s the only thing that will shut up finnperkins and her imaginary friend cottoncandy.”
Posted by: Axxxxx | May 20, 2009 at 06:45 PM

I read and see their favorite blogs, like cayleedaily and humbleopinion,
and wham!,  there it is the “act of re-posting”, the reposts photos
and documents that originated from other websites, like the Orlando
Sentinel, WFTV, WESH WKMG, and WOFL and many more.

So I am offering this link to clarify my rights as well as theirs, in regards
to the Orlando Sentinel Blogs and other related content… the content
used, read and reposted http://bit.ly/umMpq

Nut shell version-Orlando Sentinel’s Copyright and Terms of Service

User Content Screening and Removal. You acknowledge that OrlandoSentinel.com and/or its designees may or may not pre-screen User Content, and shall have the right (but not the obligation), in their sole discretion, to move, remove, block, edit, or refuse any User Content for any reason, including without limitation that such User Content violates these Terms of Service or is otherwise objectionable.

User Content Assumption of Risk. OrlandoSentinel.com cannot and does not monitor or manage all User Content, and does not guarantee the accuracy, integrity, or quality of User Content. All User Content provided to OrlandoSentinel.com is the sole responsibility of the person who provided it. This means that you are entirely responsible for all User Content that you provide.  To protect your safety, please use your best judgment when using OrlandoSentinel.com forums.  We discourage divulging personal phone numbers and addresses or other information that can be used to identify or locate you.

You acknowledge and agree that if you make such disclosures either through posting on any bulletin board, forum, blogspace, message or chat area, or uploading text, images, audio files or other audio-visual content, in classified advertising you place or in other interactive areas, or to third parties in any communication, you do so fully understanding that such information could
be used to identify you.

User Content Posting Rules. Any decisions as to whether User Content violates any Posting Rule will be made by OrlandoSentinel.com in its sole discretion and after we have actual notice of such posting. When you provide User Content, you agree to the following Posting Rules:

Do not provide User Content that:

* contains vulgar, profane, abusive, racist or hateful language or expressions, epithets or slurs, text, photographs or illustrations in poor taste, inflammatory attacks of a personal, racial or religious nature.

* is defamatory, threatening, disparaging, grossly inflammatory, false, misleading, fraudulent, inaccurate, unfair, contains gross exaggeration or unsubstantiated claims, violates the privacy rights of any third party, is unreasonably harmful or offensive to any individual or community.

* “flames” any individual or entity (e.g., sends repeated messages related to another user and/or makes derogatory or offensive comments about another individual), or repeats prior posting of the same message undermultiple threads or subjects.

WARNING: A VIOLATION OF THESE POSTING RULES MAY BE REFERRED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITIES.

 

So with this said, and Reposted, I have trackback and.pingback the Orlando
Sentinel for this article, so they are informed, and that my intent is not to over
step these rules, but to be proactive, and see that the rules are enforced.

Are your workers all busy little loyal beavers, or not….

“WHY DO YOU CARE WHO I SCREW OVER… you’re not cutting my pay check…”

Yes you’re right we are not signing your paycheck, directly, but indirectly we are, while you’ve been reading all things related to the “I hate Casey Anthony” topics, other Americans have noticed that our President ssigned the ARR act of 2009, February. I will not place details of how direct or indirect your company benefited from this ARR Act of 2009, but I think if you have half the brain you profess to have, you will take this hint and get over yourself, and stay on topic and stop being a bully. …FYI, go rent “Stand by me.”

Others who do not know what my rant is about, many think this is a strange post to make public, but I feel it is due, as this person, Distain for CMA, is a bully, and so are some of her followers, that comment in unison to her lead on Hal TV guy blog.

Not that anyone care, but I found this neat sofeware for companies who want to know what the mice are doing…

 

 

there were many features in this program but these three stood out.

Track computer use and analyze the computer usage rate in your company.
It is a great computer monitoring software product.

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thats all I am head out for a great Friday.

 

hey Orange County, Flori-dah?, ever heard of the word Exempt? …try using it on in a while.

you might want exercise restraint, when weighing out the media role to report the news, verse their ongoing need to make the news. The Earnhardt Family Act enacted for this very reason.  I am not sure at what point the world became insensitive to such macabre voyeurism, but it needs to stop.  I would be very pleased to read that the judge has ruled not in favor of the Anthony’s because of who they are, but because of what they are requesting.  The request plain and simple is, please do not release to the public the autopsy.  I know that everyone’s autopsy is of public record, but not everyone’s mother is on trial for her life, and the autopsy conveying possible evidence to taint the jury pool.

My last words on the subject-

What would Caylee want?  One must remember a two year old who loves their mother unconditionally is unlikely going to side with the people on the “I hate Casey Anthony Train” that has blazed a path through the headlines of my once normal local paper.

Wake up people, if this comes and passes without denial, what next, are we going to see live autopsies, executions, and hey why not show videos of the jury deliberating….

That last one sounds crazy, but I would not place it unattainable, as here in Flori-dah!,  nothing surprises me anymore.

Example or reality

This is a game  

 

… this is not, this is call autopsy, here is what what might become of Caylee’s, if the media gets their way.  I show here, a Flori-dah newspaper, in St. Petersburg times, an odd way of displaying the findings of Martin Lee Anderson autopsy.

To learn whether  died of natural causes, or from blows inflicted by guards, doctors will examine his body for the second time on Monday. Here is a look at how autopsies are done, what they found in the first autopsy, and what they may look for next.
Go to interactive [i removed the link]

 

What is interesting about this case, the child was shown on a video being beaten by officers, and yet cause of death was different, but now here in floridah, “death remains undetermined” is not acceptable.

Would you like a little swift kick in the conscience, with

…that macabre imagination of yours?

 

“At least the release of the autopsy will give us some new meat to feed on. It’s been slim pickens around here… hash hash, and rehash.”

Posted by: Dxxxxxx fxx CXX | June 11, 2009 at 04:26 PM

 

I am not sure what is worst, the media, or the readers who make comments like this one.

At least with the media we know where they stand.  The advertising revenue, the market ratings/share, but a statement so irreverent that removes any form of compassion or conscience human decency.

This same person along with others who take there lead, often head down the slippery slope of macabre voyeurism, all in the name of “justice for Caylee…

Like children who are in fear of not getting their way, the blame authority.  I think statements likethe one below, will help them achieve their point, yet their comments are self-defacing, and only reflect on them.

 

This is Bull Crap!!! JUDGE STRICKLAND PLEASE GET A BACKBONE!!!!”

 RxxxFxxxPxxxx | June 11, 2009 at 05:59 PM

 

I am sure this will bring out more of the best in them. I am not in fear of their words, as again, their words are only on my screen.  I will just log out and turn off the computer if I feel I have had enough.

 

 

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Death penalty: What other’s are Thinking

Posted by: Gxxxx | May 31, 2009 at 07:02 AM

 

    I must say that I agree with the defense on the matter of the death penalty. There is something seriously wrong with the prosecution in the fact that they had waived the death penalty and then reinstated it. I know that this was done after the Caylee’s body was found, but Casey was already charged with 1st degree murder.

I have not yet seen one piece of evidence that ties her to the site where Caylee was found besides garbage bags, duct tape and a laundry bag. These are all very common household items that you will find in almost all houses. One thing that really makes me wonder is the laundry bag. This type of a household item you would think would be so easily linked to that home.

I say this due to the fact that it’s a cloth laundry bag that would hold an enormous amount of fibers, possible hair from other family members, etc. I find it hard to believe that if this basket did come from the Anthony house they have not found any evidence of fibers that could be linked to clothes from inside that house. I am also very much confused as to it taking them as long as they did to find Caylee’s body. This if anything will be the reason Casey walks.

We all have to be realistic here on this matter. Although we have this mountain of evidence that Casey did something to little Caylee the fact that the area was searched multiple times (Once with cadaver dogs) and several tips came in of possible evidence in a missing child case that were not followed up on correctly is a massive argument for the defense to claim the body was not there at that time. I myself am having a real hard time with this one.

This is especially troubling to me due to the fact that this area was only ¼ of a mile from the Anthony’s home and we all know that if tips were coming in that there was a possible dead child in the woods the authorities would have ripped that woods down tree by tree. Something is seriously wrong with this aspect of the case.

This could definitely put doubt in a jury’s mind as to whether Casey was the one to put the body there. All the evidence points to Casey having a part in whatever happened, but it does not point to pre meditated murder. There is no cause of death, no crime scene, no motive (Unless you want to say she did it to spite her mother or so she can be child free) and once again we have this long period of time before they found the body when it was almost in the Anthony’s back yard.

I really need to see what else the prosecution has because there is many holes in this case that need to be filled before I myself could say this was pre-meditated murder. Casey is definitely guilty of something (But what and to what extent) I wish Casey would just come out with what really happened.

Posted by: Gxxxx | May 31, 2009 at 07:02 AM

State of FloriDAH! vs. Death row realism (title By Jeanne Woodford).

State of FloriDAH! vs. Death row realism

Mike Thomas Blog

“But now I am reconsidering. Noted DePaul law professor Andrea Lyon has joined the defense because it lacked an attorney who met the qualifications to defend a death penalty case.  Lyon is a very accomplished attorney who more than meets the qualifications.”

 “Just like Johnnie Cochran took over O.J.’s defense from Robert Shapiro.”

 
Death row realism  by Jeanne Woodford

Death row realism I did my job, but I don’t believe it was the right thing to have done. We should have condemned Massie to permanent imprisonment — that would have made the world safer, but on the night we executed him, when the question was asked,

“Did this make the world safer?” the answer remained no. Massie needed to be keptaway from society, but we did not need to kill him.

 

“Do executions make us safer? San Quentin’s former warden says no.”  By Jeanne Woodford October 2, 2008

Can we all give Baez a Break?

REMEMBER; Jose’ Baez, originally hired to defend a fraud and theft by check charges.  The reason he remain was because Ms. Anthony asked him to…I am sure he said..  (Not quoting him), Hey, do you want me to find another attorney to handle the new set of charges.  The other thing that bothers me is the assumption that the death penalty is a lighthearted decision, either by Mr. Lamar, or by Ms. Drane-Burdick.

I think the DP was originally a knee jerk reaction to the public’s outrage.  The removal of the death penalty punishment been removed because the judge ruled in favor of the defendants objection notice (Atty Lenamon); it was not a “change of heart” on the States part.  The state returned to the Death penalty notice,  to leverage the case. I do not think for a minute, Ms. Drane-Burdick would even allow Mr. Lamar to play “death row Bluff” with her own career on the line.

Update:

It’s official, Andrea D. Lyon is on the case. Per Orange County Records update

CASEY MARIE ANTHONY    DEFENDANT
782.04(1)(A)(1) - FIRST DEGREE MURDER
Charge Level: FELONY   Charge Degree: CAPITAL
JOSE A BAEZ    ATTORNEY
ANDREA D LYON    ATTORNEY
YURI MELICH    OFFICER
4/13/2009 A NOTICE OF INTENT TO SEEK THE PENALTY OF DEATH FILED
5/28/2009 A VERIFIED MOTION FOR ADMISSION TO APPEAR PRO HAC VICE
5/29/2009 A NOTICE OF APPEARANCE FILED ANDREA D. LYON
5/29/2009 A NOTICE OF CERTIFICATION FILED

So, are you happy now Mr. Ashton? [FYI -“…has never to have lost a death-penalty case.”]

So, are you happy now Mr. Ashton?  Not only is Andrea Lyons qualified, is considered and expert on Capital law and death penalty case law.

In 2005, she received the president’s commendation from the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers for her death penalty work.

“Professor Lyon has tried over 130 homicide cases. A former Cook County Public Defender in Illinois, she served as chief of the public defender’s homicide task force. In 1990 she founded the Illinois Capital Resource Center and served as its director until joining the University of Michigan Law School faculty in 1995.” The statement added that, “In 2000, she joined DePaul’s faculty and is now the Associate Dean of Clinical Programs.”

 It’s funny I used President Obama as an example..5 degrees of separation is powerful.

Even the President of the US is not DP q under Florida Rule of Crim Pro 3.112.  (Unless there is a void, if it’s the president rule that supersedes the FS 3.112 rule.)

Posted by: finnperkins | May 26, 2009 at 06:49 PM (Hal TV Guy’s blog)

The dp qualified attorney can have a vitae to match President Obama,

but if he or she has not tried a case in the state of Florida, they do not qualify under Florida’s DPQA pre-requisite/law. [Florida Rule of Crim Pro 3.112](759 So.2d 610). Amended July 1, 2002 (820 So.2d 185); Oct. 8, 2008 (993 So.2d 501).

p.s. – I wonder what her nickname will be.

btw- WFTV does not waste time on trying to make Ms. Lyon’s day memorable. “WFTV’s headline -the new attorney …stay tune and see what we dug up on her and what you need to know!”

I bet this was a hard line for Kathi Belich to say -”Lyon has very impressive credentials” and “is said never to have lost a death-penalty case.”

Kathi Belich’s is saying an extra pray tonight, WFTV reporter states Ms. Lyon’s was added to the case but has yet to file the papers and to be approved by the court.  I do not think Judge Strickland will go out of his way to please Ms. Belich this week.

old comment I made regarding WFTV and their bent view of this case-

Casey maybe a liar, a cheat, even a poster child for a 5150 PSA, and last she may even be just an average 22-year-old slacker.

These trait do not add up to some one who could carry out not only the crime it’s self, but to leave no affirmative trace for FBI and local FDLE to confirm without the phrase tagged-

 

1.      Materials are too limited to fully characterize, they remain suitable for comparison  exam, should suspected sources be located. (Drugs test on hair)

2.      Accumulation of material from different sources collected into the trunk over a period. Because they are intimately mixed, no source of this material can be determined. (Trunk)

3.      Did not originate from crime scene (soil shovel and Casey’s shoes. all of them).

 

Just to list a few reason why this is not a slam-dunk for the state attorneys office (hello Mr. Ashton)…

jm2cents/Finn